Feeling uppity today...
There will be more posts later. I've just been incensed since the first story I read today, and subsequent stories have added more fuel to my fire... some of which I have not yet commented on.
However, today J. and I will be heading to Hell. Hell Studios, that is, to record some promos for the internet radio show that will be debuting (hopefully!) Monday, July 31, 2006, at 10PM EDT on Indie Airplay radio.
After that, I am sure I will come home with more anger and vitriol to spit at these sorry excuses for human beings we call the Bush cabal.
-R.
However, today J. and I will be heading to Hell. Hell Studios, that is, to record some promos for the internet radio show that will be debuting (hopefully!) Monday, July 31, 2006, at 10PM EDT on Indie Airplay radio.
After that, I am sure I will come home with more anger and vitriol to spit at these sorry excuses for human beings we call the Bush cabal.
-R.
posted by Minister of Propaganda @ 7/25/2006 02:57:00 PM
5 Comments:
At July 25, 2006 11:30 PM,
Anonymous said…
Challenge accepted. Do try to follow. I know, it'll be hard, but try. You might learn something.
I said that her husband placed her name in the public domain via "Who's Who in America." That fact stands uncontroverted. In fact, her name has been associated with Joseph Charles Wilson IV since the 1999 edition; here is a thumb from the 2002 edition. I didn't say that she was listed as NOC in that listing, I stated that her name has been in the public domain. You do see the difference, do you not?
I then said that the Novak Article started the ball rolling toward the exposure of Joseph Wilson as a lying sack of crap, as easily demonstrated here, here, and most emphatically here.
I then said that "Valerie Plame was as much a NOC agent of CIA as you (meaning RWW) are able to discuss a point without bringing up extraneous garbage." Why's that? Well one little thing, and that is called "The Law." Under the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act,
(4) The term “covert agent” means—
(A) a present or retired officer or employee of an intelligence agency or a present or retired member of the Armed Forces assigned to duty with an intelligence agency— (i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified information, and (ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States; or (B) a United States citizen whose intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information, and— (i) who resides and acts outside the United States as an agent of, or informant or source of operational assistance to, an intelligence agency, or (ii) who is at the time of the disclosure acting as an agent of, or informant to, the foreign counterintelligence or foreign counterterrorism components of the Federal Bureau of Investigation; or (C) an individual, other than a United States citizen, whose past or present intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information and who is a present or former agent of, or a present or former informant or source of operational assistance to, an intelligence agency.
Since Sooper Seekrit Agent Valerie Plame Wilson had three-year-old twin sons at the time of the Novak Article in July of 2003, and since Wilson's last overseas posting ended in 1998, and since Plame and Wilson were married in 1998 right around the time that Wilson was forming his startup, and since CIA can be assumed to not be in the habit of sending pregnant women overseas to do dirty work, and since Valerie was busily pulling strings at Langley getting Dear Hubby his overseas trips, it is a reasonable conclusion that Valerie Wilson was not a covert agent, by the law. And that is why no one has been charged under IIPA with outing her.
But that does lead me to your rather selective quotation of Fitzgerald. You left some little nuggets out, from later in his speech, which are relevant to the discussion at hand: It's critical that when an investigation is conducted by prosecutors, agents and a grand jury they learn who, what, when, where and why. And then they decide, based upon accurate facts, whether a crime has been committed, who has committed the crime, whether you can prove the crime and whether the crime should be charged.
Later: There's another thing about a grand jury investigation. One of the obligations of the prosecutors and the grand juries is to keep the information obtained in the investigation secret, not to share it with the public. And as frustrating as that may be for the public, that is important because, the way our system of justice works, if information is gathered about people and they're not charged with a crime, we don't hold up that information for the public to look at. We either charge them with a crime or we don't.
So. Who's been charged, and with what? Oh, that's right. Fitzmas never really came, did it? Ya got a NYT reporter in the jug for three months, and Scooter for fibbing to the Fibbies. That's quite the scalp count for Brother Fitzgerald.
And sorry for the delay, but like some others on this board, I have more important things to worry about then arguing with one or two dolts on an anonymous webpage about something that is not the original subject of the thread.
At July 25, 2006 11:31 PM,
Gloatmaster2006 said…
Challenge accepted. Do try to follow. I know, it'll be hard, but try. You might learn something.
I said that her husband placed her name in the public domain via "Who's Who in America." That fact stands uncontroverted. In fact, her name has been associated with Joseph Charles Wilson IV since the 1999 edition; here is a thumb from the 2002 edition. I didn't say that she was listed as NOC in that listing, I stated that her name has been in the public domain. You do see the difference, do you not?
I then said that the Novak Article started the ball rolling toward the exposure of Joseph Wilson as a lying sack of crap, as easily demonstrated here, here, and most emphatically here.
I then said that "Valerie Plame was as much a NOC agent of CIA as you (meaning RWW) are able to discuss a point without bringing up extraneous garbage." Why's that? Well one little thing, and that is called "The Law." Under the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act,
(4) The term “covert agent” means—
(A) a present or retired officer or employee of an intelligence agency or a present or retired member of the Armed Forces assigned to duty with an intelligence agency— (i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified information, and (ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States; or (B) a United States citizen whose intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information, and— (i) who resides and acts outside the United States as an agent of, or informant or source of operational assistance to, an intelligence agency, or (ii) who is at the time of the disclosure acting as an agent of, or informant to, the foreign counterintelligence or foreign counterterrorism components of the Federal Bureau of Investigation; or (C) an individual, other than a United States citizen, whose past or present intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information and who is a present or former agent of, or a present or former informant or source of operational assistance to, an intelligence agency.
Since Sooper Seekrit Agent Valerie Plame Wilson had three-year-old twin sons at the time of the Novak Article in July of 2003, and since Wilson's last overseas posting ended in 1998, and since Plame and Wilson were married in 1998 right around the time that Wilson was forming his startup, and since CIA can be assumed to not be in the habit of sending pregnant women overseas to do dirty work, and since Valerie was busily pulling strings at Langley getting Dear Hubby his overseas trips, it is a reasonable conclusion that Valerie Wilson was not a covert agent, by the law. And that is why no one has been charged under IIPA with outing her.
But that does lead me to your rather selective quotation of Fitzgerald. You left some little nuggets out, from later in his speech, which are relevant to the discussion at hand: It's critical that when an investigation is conducted by prosecutors, agents and a grand jury they learn who, what, when, where and why. And then they decide, based upon accurate facts, whether a crime has been committed, who has committed the crime, whether you can prove the crime and whether the crime should be charged.
Later: There's another thing about a grand jury investigation. One of the obligations of the prosecutors and the grand juries is to keep the information obtained in the investigation secret, not to share it with the public. And as frustrating as that may be for the public, that is important because, the way our system of justice works, if information is gathered about people and they're not charged with a crime, we don't hold up that information for the public to look at. We either charge them with a crime or we don't.
So. Who's been charged, and with what? Oh, that's right. Fitzmas never really came, did it? Ya got a NYT reporter in the jug for three months, and Scooter for fibbing to the Fibbies. That's quite the scalp count for Brother Fitzgerald.
And sorry for the delay, but like some others on this board, I have more important things to worry about then arguing with one or two dolts on an anonymous webpage about something that is not the original subject of the thread.
At July 25, 2006 11:31 PM,
Gloatmaster2006 said…
Challenge accepted. Do try to follow. I know, it'll be hard, but try. You might learn something.
I said that her husband placed her name in the public domain via "Who's Who in America." That fact stands uncontroverted. In fact, her name has been associated with Joseph Charles Wilson IV since the 1999 edition; here is a thumb from the 2002 edition. I didn't say that she was listed as NOC in that listing, I stated that her name has been in the public domain. You do see the difference, do you not?
I then said that the Novak Article started the ball rolling toward the exposure of Joseph Wilson as a lying sack of crap, as easily demonstrated here, here, and most emphatically here.
I then said that "Valerie Plame was as much a NOC agent of CIA as you (meaning RWW) are able to discuss a point without bringing up extraneous garbage." Why's that? Well one little thing, and that is called "The Law." Under the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act,
(4) The term “covert agent” means—
(A) a present or retired officer or employee of an intelligence agency or a present or retired member of the Armed Forces assigned to duty with an intelligence agency— (i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified information, and (ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States; or (B) a United States citizen whose intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information, and— (i) who resides and acts outside the United States as an agent of, or informant or source of operational assistance to, an intelligence agency, or (ii) who is at the time of the disclosure acting as an agent of, or informant to, the foreign counterintelligence or foreign counterterrorism components of the Federal Bureau of Investigation; or (C) an individual, other than a United States citizen, whose past or present intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information and who is a present or former agent of, or a present or former informant or source of operational assistance to, an intelligence agency.
Since Sooper Seekrit Agent Valerie Plame Wilson had three-year-old twin sons at the time of the Novak Article in July of 2003, and since Wilson's last overseas posting ended in 1998, and since Plame and Wilson were married in 1998 right around the time that Wilson was forming his startup, and since CIA can be assumed to not be in the habit of sending pregnant women overseas to do dirty work, and since Valerie was busily pulling strings at Langley getting Dear Hubby his overseas trips, it is a reasonable conclusion that Valerie Wilson was not a covert agent, by the law. And that is why no one has been charged under IIPA with outing her.
But that does lead me to your rather selective quotation of Fitzgerald. You left some little nuggets out, from later in his speech, which are relevant to the discussion at hand: It's critical that when an investigation is conducted by prosecutors, agents and a grand jury they learn who, what, when, where and why. And then they decide, based upon accurate facts, whether a crime has been committed, who has committed the crime, whether you can prove the crime and whether the crime should be charged.
Later: There's another thing about a grand jury investigation. One of the obligations of the prosecutors and the grand juries is to keep the information obtained in the investigation secret, not to share it with the public. And as frustrating as that may be for the public, that is important because, the way our system of justice works, if information is gathered about people and they're not charged with a crime, we don't hold up that information for the public to look at. We either charge them with a crime or we don't.
So. Who's been charged, and with what? Oh, that's right. Fitzmas never really came, did it? Ya got a NYT reporter in the jug for three months, and Scooter for fibbing to the Fibbies. That's quite the scalp count for Brother Fitzgerald.
And sorry for the delay, but like some others on this board, I have more important things to worry about then arguing with one or two dolts on an anonymous webpage about something that is not the original subject of the thread.
At July 25, 2006 11:32 PM,
Gloatmaster2006 said…
Challenge accepted. Do try to follow. I know, it'll be hard, but try. You might learn something.
I said that her husband placed her name in the public domain via "Who's Who in America." That fact stands uncontroverted. In fact, her name has been associated with Joseph Charles Wilson IV since the 1999 edition; here is a thumb from the 2002 edition. I didn't say that she was listed as NOC in that listing, I stated that her name has been in the public domain. You do see the difference, do you not?
I then said that the Novak Article started the ball rolling toward the exposure of Joseph Wilson as a lying sack of crap, as easily demonstrated here, here, and most emphatically here.
I then said that "Valerie Plame was as much a NOC agent of CIA as you (meaning RWW) are able to discuss a point without bringing up extraneous garbage." Why's that? Well one little thing, and that is called "The Law." Under the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act,
(4) The term “covert agent” means—
(A) a present or retired officer or employee of an intelligence agency or a present or retired member of the Armed Forces assigned to duty with an intelligence agency— (i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member is classified information, and (ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within the last five years served outside the United States; or (B) a United States citizen whose intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information, and— (i) who resides and acts outside the United States as an agent of, or informant or source of operational assistance to, an intelligence agency, or (ii) who is at the time of the disclosure acting as an agent of, or informant to, the foreign counterintelligence or foreign counterterrorism components of the Federal Bureau of Investigation; or (C) an individual, other than a United States citizen, whose past or present intelligence relationship to the United States is classified information and who is a present or former agent of, or a present or former informant or source of operational assistance to, an intelligence agency.
Since Sooper Seekrit Agent Valerie Plame Wilson had three-year-old twin sons at the time of the Novak Article in July of 2003, and since Wilson's last overseas posting ended in 1998, and since Plame and Wilson were married in 1998 right around the time that Wilson was forming his startup, and since CIA can be assumed to not be in the habit of sending pregnant women overseas to do dirty work, and since Valerie was busily pulling strings at Langley getting Dear Hubby his overseas trips, it is a reasonable conclusion that Valerie Wilson was not a covert agent, by the law. And that is why no one has been charged under IIPA with outing her.
But that does lead me to your rather selective quotation of Fitzgerald. You left some little nuggets out, from later in his speech, which are relevant to the discussion at hand: It's critical that when an investigation is conducted by prosecutors, agents and a grand jury they learn who, what, when, where and why. And then they decide, based upon accurate facts, whether a crime has been committed, who has committed the crime, whether you can prove the crime and whether the crime should be charged.
Later: There's another thing about a grand jury investigation. One of the obligations of the prosecutors and the grand juries is to keep the information obtained in the investigation secret, not to share it with the public. And as frustrating as that may be for the public, that is important because, the way our system of justice works, if information is gathered about people and they're not charged with a crime, we don't hold up that information for the public to look at. We either charge them with a crime or we don't.
So. Who's been charged, and with what? Oh, that's right. Fitzmas never really came, did it? Ya got a NYT reporter in the jug for three months, and Scooter for fibbing to the Fibbies. That's quite the scalp count for Brother Fitzgerald.
And sorry for the delay, but like some others on this board, I have more important things to worry about then arguing with one or two dolts on an anonymous webpage about something that is not the original subject of the thread.
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